Let's uh bring in from UK's deputy
leader Richard Ty who joins us in the
studio. Richard, good to have you with
us. You've um you spent the the summer
challenging the government, I think it's
fair to say, challenging the home
secretary. She's literally just left
that seat. Yesterday, she accused your
party of having policies that were chaos
on steroids. What?
>> Exactly the opposite. Clearly, as we're
leading in every national poll, the last
one we're beating Labor by 15%, our
policies resonate with the concerns of
the British people. Last week we
announced our deportations policy and I
said to the home secretary in the
commons yesterday, the only way that you
will create a proper deterrent is to
detain and deport everybody who comes
here illegally. Uh her measures
announced yesterday it's just more
waffle and words. It'll make no
difference whatsoever.
>> There was there was confusion around in
some quarters around around the
deportations about women and and
children. Just clarify that for us.
>> Sure. What is the situation? The overall
principle is that if you're here here
illegally, you can't expect to stay here
forever. We don't know how many people
are here illegally, give or take, it's
plus or minus a million people. So,
we're saying the first phase of
deportations should be focusing on men
primarily. Uh there's many men of sort
of young uh sort of age in their 20ies
and that's where we would start and go
through the process. We've said, "Look,
it's going to take a parliamentary term
uh to remove some 600,000 people, but
anybody who is is here illegally should
not expect to be allowed to stay here
forever."
>> So, you're looking at at men first in
these proposals, women and children in a
year's time, two years, three, four,
>> because there's so many to deal with, it
may well be the whole parliamentary term
is taken up dealing with men. The
overarching principle, there's always
specific individual cases, but the
overarching principle is that anybody
here illegally cannot expect to stay and
we will deal with all those cases. And
what we're not going to do is sort of
create a long list of exemptions that
therefore actually that acts as a magnet
and uh gangs and unscrupulous people
essentially move their activities
towards those exemptions. So if if women
and children aren't the priority, what
about a man who's got kids, a single
father that's got kids, will you send
him back home to another country and
leave the children unaccompanied? What's
the situation?
>> The reality is that we will detain and
deport those who are here illegally
starting with men. The odd individual
situation will be looked at. We don't
know how many of those scenarios there
are. For example, we don't know whether
that's a thousand or 40 or 50,000. So
you got to get that detail first. But
the principle is if you're here
illegally uh and and you have children
here, they are not British citizens.
Let's make that absolutely clear. Uh
they are
>> they need to be protected though because
>> they are not British citizens. They need
to be protected.
>> The role of the British government is to
look after British citizens. We're
absolutely clear on that. The British
people are sick and tired of this sort
of gaming of the system by people who've
come here illegally uh in whether
they're economic migrants or whatever.
And we're not going to tolerate it. And
that's why we're leading in the polls
because we're in touch with the fury of
the British people.
>> You were you were quoted and you you
you'll know that this is coming.
Sometimes you have to do deals with
people you may not want to go to the pub
with in reference there to the Taliban
in Afghanistan or or Iran. The Taliban
say they're happy to to deal with you
and AJ Farage in preference to Shakir
Sama. What does that say about the the
policies you're putting forwards?
>> I'll tell you what it says. It says that
actually uh people around the world
recognize that Nigel Farage is likely to
be the next elected prime minister of
this country. And sometimes in life you
have to do business with people that uh
you may not particularly like and no one
likes Hamas. But if we want ceasefire in
Gaza, we've got to do a deal with Hamas.
I don't know many people uh who who like
uh the Russian leadership, but uh if you
want peace in a ceasefire in Ukraine,
then we've got to do a deal with the
Russian leadership. And that's
uncomfortable. It's difficult, but it's
the harsh reality of leadership. But but
there will be the families of 457
British service men and women who died
fighting the Taliban who will listen to
this going reforms prepared to now give
the Taliban money.
>> We're giving money. We're giving 150
million quid every year
>> in humanitarian assistance.
>> It's going to the Taliban. They control
the country. Don't be naive.
>> How are you make sure that it doesn't go
to the Taliban? They're in control of
the country. They and they they are they
are essentially the governing authority.
And it frankly I think it's naive to
assume that you send them 150 million
quid and they're not going to put their
hands in the till. I mean come on get
real.
>> So you you you can see no mechanism by
which that can be avoided.
>> None that I'm aware of so far. If
anybody's aware of it, great. But
sometimes in life you have to do
business with people you may not get on
with. But the role of the British
government and the prime minister is to
improve the lot of British citizens. And
we can't be responsible for every bad
actor elsewhere in a difficult world.
>> So there's there's no country North
Korea. If there was North Koreans coming
back, you'd you'd be prepared to to do a
deal there as well.
>> We we we have to focus on detaining and
deporting those who are here illegally.
No ifs, no buts, because otherwise you
just create a sort of um a game where
people focus on the exemptions and then
you ek the exemptions and you come up
with another request and another
scenario, another example. No, we're not
playing that game. We're making it very
clear. If you're here illegally, expect
to be detained and deported.
>> You talked about and the home secretary
yesterday talked about family reunions.
You claimed that there were some
instances where more than 20 family
members were were being brought over.
>> Yes, I've heard of that. I've heard
that.
>> What evidence what evidence is that?
>> Um heard of and evidence are different
>> from you good friends in the media.
Unless you're saying that what you
produce in the media is uh is incorrect.
Um yes I've heard of stories of families
of 20 plus 29 was a story I heard of an
Afghan Afghanistan Afghani family.
>> What would be the level under under a
reform government if it was to exist?
>> Uh it it that is ludicrous. Clearly
ludicrous and um you know frankly
immediate for you know what I think we
should go back to and and I said this
yesterday maybe what what actually
worked back in early 2000s we were
welcoming about 20,000 asylum seekers as
an overall and that was working the
British people supported that welcomed
that and sometimes focus on what works
not the current system which is is
completely chaotic and broken
>> and if if that worked that 20,000 figure
would they be able to bring their
husband, wife, spouse, children
>> that should be all inclusive,
>> right? Okay. So, that 20,000 figure is
the entirety of that. So, it worked then
we were welcoming and uh there was there
was great I think admiration for our
asylum system. Uh since then we've got
complete chaos. It's got worse and worse
firstly under the tries and now it's
getting even worse under this labor
administration. Richard Ty of reform.
Good to have you with us. Thank you.